I have a complex love/hate relationship with the process of player map creation. I fully support the notion that exploration is a key component of old school gaming, and that the physical artifact of player drawn maps are a testament to that focus. However, the actual process of play around exploration is one that I think was only ever loosely defined if at all, and unfortunately there are a lot of difficulties in managing it. I find the following interaction at the table all too common:
GM: After coming around the corner you see the passageway extends thirty feet to the north, then turns west.
Mapper: Do you mean the turn happens after thirty feet of straight passageway, or does the thirty feet include the turn?
GM: It is thirty feet to the northern wall.
Mapper: Does that include the square I’m standing in? Or is the total length of passageway forty feet?
Mapper: (Holding up map) Is this right?
This is unpleasant for a variety of reasons. At the surface, it eats up play time, and focuses too much of that time on interaction between the DM and a single player. Worse still, it’s not even particularly fun play for either the DM or that one player. There’s a communication break down in the above that goes beyond simple difficulty describing the length of a passageway, and can quickly lead to frustration on both sides of the screen.
The DM is often working from a map with very explicit dimensions — usually graph paper with ten foot squares. Ultimately though the he doesn’t really want this level of precision when describing the environment to the players. It breaks immersion, moving the group away from feeling like they’re standing in a spooky underground tunnel and towards the awareness of sitting around a table drawing on paper. The characters are surely not carrying tape measures around the dungeon precisely measuring the length of every hallway. Are we playing dungeons and dragons or construction sites and quantity surveyors?
The player though is just trying to play the game well. If this is a game about exploration, then keeping an accurate map is a key tactic for success. A good map is an important tool for making decisions on where to explore next, or to form theories about where hidden areas may exist. Play without any mapping is just as difficult, if not more so, as the players become unable to make any kind of informed decision on where to explore and decline into frustration or boredom.
What we are left with is directly opposing goals. The DM is enticed into using less specific language to heighten immersion while the players demand more specific language for tactical success. How do we play in a way that both sides find engaging?
Modern techniques often involve simply having the DM directly draw for the players, either on graph paper, or a battle mat, or using fancy digital tables to reveal sections of a pre-generated image. It works for video games, so why not roleplaying games? I’d argue that this approach is simply a shifting of the scales too far in the direction of game-playing tactics. The players are satisfied with understanding the map, and the DM does not have to spend excess time converting imagery into words, but lost is the sense of immersion. The exploration portion of the game becomes rote, and I’d argue that this is a clear step in the direction of changing the theme of the game from exploration to battle tactics. “Why even bother with that boring walking around hallways part, let’s get on to the next fight!”
There are also ways to shift the scales in the other direction, though strangely I’ve only seen them as player initiated. For example, I’ve seen players make higher level conceptual maps without graph paper that simply define locations, connections, and decision points. These maps don’t distinguish between a short straight passage and a long curving one if there are no branches or doors along them. They simply show a short line connecting room A to room B. While this method is faster, cuts down confused language, and increases immersion, it also sacrifices some of the tactical use of maps. They won’t, for example, be as good at revealing potential locations of secret doors. Also, as I’ve said, I’ve only seen this approach taken as a short-cut on the player’s side. Would players accept a DM-mandate of this kind of practice? It’s hard to imagine players not balking at a “no graph paper, unlined paper maps only” rule.
I suppose we could try starting from a source map without explicit scales or measurements. Has anyone ever tried this? It sounds terrifying to me but I’m kind of curious. Does anyone have any other ideas?
I started writing this in hopes that like many topics by describing the problem I’d arrive at a solution, or at least some ideas to lead me towards one. That didn’t quite seem to materials though. Perhaps if I sleep on it I’ll come to something. Or maybe one of my clever readers has some good ideas?
11 thoughts on “Mapping”
It’s a skill that you can learn, on both sides of the table. After a while you get “good enough” to not screw yourself most of the time.
Yeah, I just hate having to re-invent the wheel with each individual player. There must be a better way.
I’m not sure how a scale-free map would help. There are plenty of times – lighting distance, spell effect sizes, duration of spells and light sources – that depend on the GM (at least) knowing the distances involved. No explicit measurements means you’ll need to make those measurements during play instead of when you’re doing game prep. For some GMs perhaps that’s easy. For me, it’s not, so I make everything as precise as it can be on my own map.
My approach is that as the GM I give rough map distances (“you go maybe 8-10 years or so, and enter a room wider than it is deep – maybe 10 yards by half that”). I will give precise measures if people stop to measure precisely or have a way to measure precisely on the fly. My map has an accurate scale, the PCs have a map that’s close but not always exact. But I deliberately make “exploration” not a code word for “discover hidden areas by mapping to the foot.” Close enough – even a rough idea – is good enough. My PCs recently solved a go-and-return puzzle problem using a map that was wildly inaccurate in scale but measured connections well enough to get around. They’ve found new areas by noticing areas they never finished exploring. But they don’t need to know to the square what my map looks like because that isn’t a requirement. I also refuse to look at their map except when I’m unable to describe something – even then, I’ll draw it on a piece of paper or lay it out with miniatures and wall segments on the table and let them draw it.
That works. The tricky bit for me is common language to describe relative direction, since I don’t give compass map directions.
You make an excellent point regarding needing to know actual distances for adjudicating rules. Light sources, spell ranges, etc, etc. I think as DM it’ll be pretty hard to get away from needing to know exactly how far the players are from any given feature.
You’re describing exactly what I put forth as the typical DM approach — to be intentionally vague in the language. And yes, eventually any given player will figure out how much detail you will or won’t give, and you’ll develop a rapport, and it will become less painful – but never completely painless. I still feel like there must be a better way. Perhaps there isn’t, but I’ll keep looking.
It’s a typical approach, but I think the a-stereotypical part is that I don’t expect precision from the players. They don’t need precision, merely being good enough is good enough. And they determine what that is – if it bothers them enough to spend time on precision, fine. We’ll do that. If you don’t, we don’t. As long as we both know the goal of play isn’t for them to turn my imprecise descriptions into a precise copy of my map, we’re all good.
My preference is for players to make low-detail maps. I’ve had players find potentially unexplored/inaccessible areas that way. Then they say there going to look at the bordering areas again to confirm that potential.
But, since I have some players who really need visual aids, I’ve been experimenting with using something like Encounter Elements, Blue Dungeon Tiles, Dungeon Forge Game Tiles, etc. to assemble a rough outline of the area the PCs can see. As they move, I disassemble what they can no longer see to build what has come into view. It isn’t so much for moving minis around as simply communicating the shape of the space.
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As a GM, I’ve frequently drawn a close to scale map for my players. (None of them care much about mapping, but like an idea of where they have been.) Occasionally, because of terrain or in a maze-like area I’ve only offered description and no map. As a player, my character usually has a basic skill in cartography and I draw a very simple map of lines and squares that gives a layout, but certainly isn’t to scale.
For both situations, myself and the other GM use a lot of floor-plans (some purchased tiles, etc; a lot of varied passages and rooms I’ve made/cut out on light card) with miniatures for some exploration and most combats.
A lot seems to hinge on secret areas here.
Sorry for jumping in late (3 years late…) but from having read sample descriptions in OD&D, AD&D and having read several interviews with participants of the original game sessions i get the impression that DM/GM descriptions didn’t include distances until the distance was moved.
This would both improve immersion and avoid confusion. It would also be more realistic seeing as the only way for a PC to measure a distance would be by pacing the distance during movement. This is how i have played during the past 25 years and how i think confusion might have been avoided by other DMs.
GM : You reach a T-Juntion. Tunnels extend to the east and west. A bit down the east tunnel you can see a door in the north wall.
Player : How far can i see down the west tunnel and how far down the east tunnel is the door located?
GM : The light from your torch reaches 30′ down the west tunnel, the tunnel stretches further into the darkness. The door in the east tunnel seems to be just at the edge of the light from your torch.
Player : Ok, i approach the door.
GM : You leave the T-Junction behind and walk east, 10, 20, 30 feet. You are now in front of a large wooden door in the north wall. The tunnel stretches further into the darkness to the east.
Player : I proceed down the tunnel to the east to see were it leads.
GM : You follow the tunnel east for another 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 feet before you reach a wall, the tunnel now turns south.
Player : How far south can i see.
GM : The tunnel goes further south then the light from your torch.
Player : I return west, back to the door.
This sort of progressive exploration were no distances or dimensions are handed to the player for free add to the immersion and avoids confusion. In some large halls, rooms or caves it might be impossible to get the exact dimensions. Both because it is impossible to pace but also because the PCs light source never illuminates the whole space. When this happens it might be a matter of following along walls to locate every connecting passage, door, cliff, pit, chasm and so on. Even if the area is lit by other means the PCs should only be able to make approximations of areas that are to large to pace.
I also get the impression that room descriptions usually was secondary to the occupants of the room. If a room is occupied, the encounter was resolved first before the room was described in detail. This would also make more sense seeing as the presence of creatures when opening a door would certainly occupy the PCs attention before furniture or room dimensions.
I get annoyed if a GM spends lots of time describing a rooms furniture and dimensions and then tacking on occupants/creatures towards the end of the description. 🙂
This is instead how i play such encounters.
Player : I open the door slowly.
GM : The door slowly swings open. As soon as the light hits the room you can see a group of humanoid shapes approaching you from out of the darkness. What do you do.
Player : Can i see anything else.
GM : Yes, there are long wooden boxes or crates lining two of the walls but there is no time for that, they are getting closer. What do you do?
Player : How do they look?
GM : You raise your torch for a better view. At first glance they look human but their mouths are open. They have no eyes, their arms are stretched towards you and they stumble as they walk. You quickly count to 4 individuals. They are really close now and don’t seem to be slowing down. Last chance for action.
Player : No reason to parley with the undead! I draw my sword and attack!
*Combat is resolved*
Player : I visually inspect the room.
GM : Several wood coffins line the east and north walls. Some are splintered or opened. 4 bodies of the undead lie scattered on the floor. There is a door in the west wall.
* Play Continues *
I hope this helps clear up you love/hate relationship with player mapping. I am firmly in the “love” camp. 😉